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IDProjectCategoryLast Update
0015237The Last FederationGameplay IdeaOct 1, 2014 9:03 pm
ReporterSilverfire Assigned ToChris_McElligottPark  
Status resolvedResolutionfixed 
Product Version1.020 (Piratical Influx) 
Fixed in Version1.603 (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred) 
Summary0015237: "War with Federation" influence malus should only apply to defensive wars.
DescriptionCurrent situation: Burlusts started an offensive war with a federation member, (war of turmoil) and -I- lose 2 influence a month with the burlusts because they are 'at war with federation.'

The downward spiral happens so incredibly fast that I'll never easily be able to dig my way out of it, and I'm below the threshold for even appealing to them in the first place. My only option now is to pray for rain.

I don't particularly like the 'war with federation' passive influence drain to begin with, since it makes the task seem so Sisyphean, as you yourself don't have the tools to bounce back from a drain that powerful like you can with attitude buildings, and there is no 'peace with federation' passive bonus to counterbalance, it turns into a huge dead weight on your attitude/influence.

At least limiting it to wars initiated by your federation would make it solvable as you aren't actively losing influence with the very entity you need to negotiate with.
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Silverfire

May 21, 2014 1:19 am

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Manxome

Sep 25, 2014 2:49 am

reporter   ~0039338

I had a similar thought. The fact that a race won't even consider joining the federation as long as THEY are choosing to pursue a war against it is a bit annoying, but it seems thematically defensible, at least. But holding a grudge against the entire federation for their own actions just seems like simplistic algorithms run amuck, and it triggers a diplomatic death spiral that looks pretty much impossible to dig yourself out of.

Chris_McElligottPark

Oct 1, 2014 9:03 pm

administrator   ~0039446

Thanks!

* The "war with alliance" attitude drops now only apply if the alliance in question is attacking the race in question. If the race is unilaterally attacking the other alliance and not being attacked back, their attitude will not drop.
** Right now this does not differentiate between who started a war if both sides are attacking each other; aka, if the Burlusts initiate war with the federation constantly, and the federation responds by attacking burlust planets or outposts, the burlusts will still hate the federation more. But if the burlusts do attacks on the federation, and the federation defends itself without attacking burlust planets in return, then this attitude drop does not come into play for the burlusts. This applies to all races, not just the burlusts, of course.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
May 21, 2014 1:19 am Silverfire New Issue
May 21, 2014 1:19 am Silverfire File Added: 7.save
Sep 25, 2014 2:49 am Manxome Note Added: 0039338
Sep 29, 2014 12:47 pm Chris_McElligottPark Assigned To => Chris_McElligottPark
Sep 29, 2014 12:47 pm Chris_McElligottPark Status new => assigned
Oct 1, 2014 9:03 pm Chris_McElligottPark Internal Weight => New
Oct 1, 2014 9:03 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0039446
Oct 1, 2014 9:03 pm Chris_McElligottPark Status assigned => resolved
Oct 1, 2014 9:03 pm Chris_McElligottPark Fixed in Version => 1.603 (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
Oct 1, 2014 9:03 pm Chris_McElligottPark Resolution open => fixed