View Issue Details

IDProjectCategoryLast Update
0017338The Last FederationBug - GameplayOct 19, 2016 3:41 am
ReporterGorgo Primus Assigned Tokeith.lamothe  
Status resolvedResolutionfixed 
Product Version2.015-2.016 
Fixed in Version3.003 
Summary0017338: Betryal Game inpossible to win because of Andors being literally impossible to kill
DescriptionI've spent hours attacking the same world (last one left) with orbital bombardment and every fleet (max research) I can build all attacking at 100%. And the population never budges for more than a second if at all. I have every RCI on the place in the -1000s except for economy which for some reason I can't affect at all. I have 10ks of ships attacking it 24/7 and every time they hit 300 defenders they suddenly spike back up. They've climbed from 300m population to 2.8b in a second once and otherwise never budges and they are impossible to kill and its incredibly frustrating!

Please find out what's wrong and fix this so that no one ever has to go through this again. Thanks!
TagsNo tags attached.
Internal WeightNew

Activities

Gorgo Primus

Jun 22, 2015 4:09 am

reporter  

Bugged game!.save (930,001 bytes)

Gorgo Primus

Jun 22, 2015 12:11 pm

reporter   ~0042388

Was able to finally win on this save by going at the second slowest speed and manually killing every fleet the second it appeared. Consequently, I'm not sure if this is a bug or if its just a bad combination of modifiers at this point.

Ljas

Nov 15, 2015 11:57 pm

reporter   ~0043576

It's more of a gameplay balance issue and definitely still real in 3.001. Very frustrating to deal with.

Draco18s

Nov 17, 2015 11:39 am

developer   ~0043581

Last edited: Nov 17, 2015 11:46 am

Andors are immune to negative economy changes (similar to Thoraxians being immune to negative (and positive) public order changes.

I'm trying to think of what modifiers could be stacking up that would make them so hard to kill.

*Looks at the save*

Hmmm. I think its a combination of the Ark and the Andor Assembly Lines. For some reason there are [i]six[/i] of them on the planet but the tooltip fluff says that it should be "one per planet" but also says that the max per planet is 7. Each one triples the "birth" rate (which stacks) for a total multiplier of 729, then multiply by 7 for the Ark.

Edit: one per [i]federation[/i] planet. Which, I guess, in Betrayal mode is one per hydral planet. And they can't be sabotaged.

keith.lamothe

Oct 18, 2016 5:03 pm

administrator   ~0045700

For 3.003:

* The Andor Assembly Line buildings (which Andors build when they're scared of the federation) are now vulnerable to sabotage and orbital bombardment, as otherwise a big stack of 6 or 7 of these (especially if the Andor planet is seeded with The Ark) could render the Andors completely invincible because it leads to "birth" rates of over 7 billion per month (700 million with x0.1 from terribad medical rating).
** Also moved the check for scared-of-federation buildings to later in the per-month logic check, so they don't impact the birth rate of the month in which they are constructed, as otherwise destroying them doesn't actually stop the massive manufacturing spree.

Thanks :)

Gorgo Primus

Oct 19, 2016 3:41 am

reporter   ~0045706

Patchnotes seem to say someone named Blackwidower reported and proved the save, but whatever. What matters is that you've saved someone else from going through this in the future. Thanks!

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
Jun 22, 2015 4:09 am Gorgo Primus New Issue
Jun 22, 2015 4:09 am Gorgo Primus File Added: Bugged game!.save
Jun 22, 2015 12:11 pm Gorgo Primus Note Added: 0042388
Nov 15, 2015 11:57 pm Ljas Note Added: 0043576
Nov 17, 2015 11:39 am Draco18s Note Added: 0043581
Nov 17, 2015 11:42 am Draco18s Note Edited: 0043581
Nov 17, 2015 11:46 am Draco18s Note Edited: 0043581
Oct 18, 2016 5:03 pm keith.lamothe Internal Weight => New
Oct 18, 2016 5:03 pm keith.lamothe Note Added: 0045700
Oct 18, 2016 5:03 pm keith.lamothe Status new => resolved
Oct 18, 2016 5:03 pm keith.lamothe Fixed in Version => 3.003
Oct 18, 2016 5:03 pm keith.lamothe Resolution open => fixed
Oct 18, 2016 5:03 pm keith.lamothe Assigned To => keith.lamothe
Oct 19, 2016 3:41 am Gorgo Primus Note Added: 0045706