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Image of a stack of Pike Corvettes versus 10 Fusion Bombers. Normally they'd have 5 shots in a salvo. There are enough of them in this stack to gain 1 shot, and now have 6. PikeSalvo.jpg (69,793 bytes) |
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What about the damage buff that comes into play with stacks of units? Doesn't that help offset this quite a bit? |
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No. It caps out at only 5 stacks. Anything beyond that adds nothing. I'd note that I have a save where the player put stacking for the AI to the most intense setting possible. The fight is won fairly easily. If you change it to be the other way (i.e almost no stacking) they lose. The AI has a lot of MLRS and Pike Corvettes, both units affected by these issues. |
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Would a simple solution simply to let it do more than 5x damage? That would have the effect of stacks vaporizing large ships, though. But we can't really add a lot of extra shots or salvos without major performance degradation of just the sort we're trying to avoid. |
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It'd help a bit I would think, to a point. I imagine there'd be cases of a lot of overkill, since the player doesn't stack as much. Then I'd worry if we kept the extra shots in, but had the damage go up to...even 30x, maximum, then we'd get odd cases like a stack of 50 MLRS Corvettes doing 30x damage of 1, then gaining those extra shots, which even with the problem noted...might swing it the other way. An extreme example, however. Not sure how to handle it safely with no oddities. Currently if AI stacks were...9 units for instance, then it has the 5x damage, but no extra shot so it's nerfed compared to having a single unit in each stack. Maybe just have the damage go up far more, but...maybe a cap on how large a stack can get? Say the extreme case above of 50? I dunno, you know far more about this than I do. Though not having extra shots would then...make debuffer units worse again. Dunno, maybe we could just do what happened in 4.0 of Classic and go farther on the whole "centerpiece" thing, and hopefully have less swarms of units in the first place? I'm looking at this sort of thing currently but maybe it can go...more. |
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Wouldn't it be easier if you just do something like: DamagePerShot = BaseDamagePerShot * StackCount * BaseNoOfShots / AdjustedShotsFired If you then have: BaseDamagePerShot: 50 BaseNoOfShots: 5 You then calculate AdjustedShotsFired to maybe BaseNoOfShots + (int)(BaseNoOfShots/10) (ie add one shot per 10 ships) If StackCount is 5 you get DamagePerShot = 50 * 5 * 5 / 5 = 250 If StackCount would be 25 you get DamagePerShot = 50 * 25 * 5 / 7 = 893 (instead of 1250 but with (potentially) 2 extra shots) At least then the math is correct and the stacks have the damage output you would expect. You can then tweak when each ship gets an extra shot so debuffers could get extra shots at a faster rate. |
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I think this has been resolved by NRSirLimbo's shot compression work. |
- Anonymous
