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0027461AI War 2Bug - GameplayJun 12, 2022 9:28 pmSep 19, 2022 8:17 pm
ReporterLord Of Nothing Assigned To 
Status newResolutionopen 
Product Version5.017 More Ways To Win 
Summary0027461: The Hardened property, Stacked units, and AOE weapons don't play fair.
DescriptionOkay, so: The way that the Hardened property works on stacked units right now interacts badly with aoe damage.

In the attached save, we have a Siege frigate and some crupellari. If I target the stack of 8 crupellari with it, they take 25% of the health of one crupellari, 10k damage, because they're Hardened and that's their Hardened limit. But if they weren't stacked, each ship would take 10k damage, because the attack that's hitting them is 200k damage, so 25k each, reduced to 10k by Hardened.

So in this instance, the Hardened is overperforming quite significantly and the stacked units are gaining a massive advantage from being stacked.

(In the case of Crupellari, this then makes their riposte shot a *lot* stronger against aoe using ships.)
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Lord Of Nothing

Jun 12, 2022 9:28 pm

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Fortified and Stacks.save (373,128 bytes)

Lord Of Nothing

Sep 19, 2022 8:11 pm

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Last edited: Sep 19, 2022 8:17 pm

 Had occasion to test this today and I noticed that the same issue also applies to shot compression of regular multishot weapons, hardened totally prevents the compressed shots from doing the damage they are supposed to. It will try to fire all the shots, and get hit by the cap as though they were all one shot, because that's what they are under the hood, but that's not how it should be working.

Lord Of Nothing

Sep 19, 2022 8:11 pm

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Used this test chamber and an ohmu.
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Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
Jun 12, 2022 9:28 pm Lord Of Nothing New Issue
Jun 12, 2022 9:28 pm Lord Of Nothing File Added: Fortified and Stacks.save
Jun 14, 2022 8:49 pm Lord Of Nothing Summary The Fortified property, Stacked units, and AOE weapons don't play fair. => The Hardened property, Stacked units, and AOE weapons don't play fair.
Jun 14, 2022 8:49 pm Lord Of Nothing Description Updated
Sep 19, 2022 8:11 pm Lord Of Nothing Note Added: 0067235
Sep 19, 2022 8:11 pm Lord Of Nothing Note Added: 0067236
Sep 19, 2022 8:11 pm Lord Of Nothing File Added: NA_TestChamberAdditions.xml
Sep 19, 2022 8:17 pm Lord Of Nothing Note Edited: 0067235