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It took 167 turns to finally hit him enough times. Putting my weapons to full power, with engines at half, caused the enemy ship to move left and right, hitting my weapons fire. He could have just kept doing what he was and eventually won. He didn't have any fear of my bullets and I killed him. |
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Additionally, I think the fast enemies should not show up in the tutorial mission in the first place. |
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Bump for 1.015. Relative velocity for weapons would be awesome. |
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I'm not sure on this one. The problem is that you'd also given enemies relative velocity shots. That would mean an enemy could shoot and hit you in a single round, prevent you from doing anything about it. |
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Have you ever had to chase an enemy ship? When they shoot, they aren't adding in their velocity (which is going in the other direction) to their shot, which allows them to easily hit you. This will go both ways, and make relative speed matter. If both ships are going in the same direction, dodging will actually be easier. |
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Yes, I have, and what you say is true. But I think you are neglecting the other relative ship velocity case. Consider the case that I brought up (regardless of my apparent inability to conjugate properly), which is the opposite of your example. If two ships are headed toward each other at a sufficient speed, then because you have a 3 second interval between commands, you won't have the ability to dodge some shots. So, it seems we have to choose between having it difficult to catch fast ships and easier to dodge shots versus easier to catch and very difficult to dodge. Which was my point to begin with. In most battles I must avoid enemies at the beginning because they outnumber me, in contrast to the end, when I may need to catch the stragglers. If shots are made too difficult to dodge with the advantage of relative velocity adjustments, then we'd are forced to circle strafe to avoid an unavoidable alpha strike. I'm not sure that would be an enjoyable change. |
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> an enemy could shoot and hit you in a single round This already happens. Part of tactics is staying away from high-DPS enemy formations until they split up or you've whittled them down a bit from a safe distance. > If two ships are headed toward each other at a sufficient speed, then because you have a 3 second interval between commands, you won't have the ability to dodge some shots. You have a lot of assumptions here. You must be headed toward the enemy, and the enemy must be headed toward you. You have control of half of this equation by definition -- if an enemy has a dangerous amount of DPS, you might think twice about approaching it at high speed! Then, "toward each other" is another assumption. Relative velocity would make weapons a little less omnidirectional (they would have an advantage firing in the direction the ship's going and a disadvantage in the opposite direction). So getting behind enemy ships is less dangerous. As for your third assumption -- "at a sufficient speed" -- most ships in this game are quite slow, except for the player or a few exceptions such as Velocitar class. So I suspect the change won't make much practical difference except for high speed chase situations (which have been a big source of player complaints). |
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I've had to do the chase thing too, and it's pretty lame. Not 100% sure the relative velocities thing is the answer, but I'd definitly be interested in seeing that in a beta release to see how it goes. The ability to outrun your own bullets (with say afterburner) is a little silly, especially in space. The ship does have a kind of inertia (which can be observed when making turns or trying to stop), but even that isn't 100% space realistic as there's a kind of top speed effect too, so there's plenty of "for fun" factored in... But outrunning our own shots is a little ?.? ... |
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The BIGGEST problem I can see is if those smaller ships that fire the shield piercing shots just swarm a player, and as a result of the shot velocity they become completely undefendable - those things are already annoying since ther's no way to recover hull, if they can't be dodged or Specialed down before they hit, that would be a serrious problem. |
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Another thought occurs: Relative shot velocity would do wonders for the Burlust duels as well, as it stands now, you just basically kite him around at full weapons, 3 speed, and his shots never threaten (because he outruns his own shots), if they were relative it'd be considerably more scary... |
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Also, it would be more consistent with how I expect things to work ;) |
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I'm in a distress call mission where almost all the ennemies ships are fast. I can't see the end of this mission. Needless to say that when I'm chasing them I'm not protecting the trades ships and they'll all go Boom for sure. |
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