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| ID | Project | Category | Date Submitted | Last Update | |
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| 0002123 | AI War 1 / Classic | Suggestion | Dec 23, 2010 5:18 pm | Jan 3, 2011 11:44 am | |
| Reporter | TechSY730 | Assigned To | keith.lamothe | ||
| Status | closed | Resolution | not fixable | ||
| Product Version | 4.054 | ||||
| Summary | 0002123: Passing Parameters to the Underlying Runtime Environment | ||||
| Description | IIRC correctly, Mono supports managed languages, meaning there is a runtime environment that takes care of things like memory management. Also, there is of course the Unity layer as well. Can those take nifty tweaking parameters like Sun's Java implementation can? I've seen many stand alone Java programs that on their command line can pass along raw command parameters (like memory sizes and garbage collection parameters) to the underlying JVM. Is there a way to do this with AI War (and also Tidalis)? There will of course be sensible defaults. But this way those who want AI war to be able to have ALOT of memory can increase the max heap size, but those who do not want this can leave it as the default or even reduce the max heap size. If you are making assumptions about the exact amount of memory you have available (beyond a sensible minimum), you are doing it wrong ;) | ||||
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No, none of that works, because the runtime is embedded inside unity itself, and isn't called by the OS. |
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Aww. Too bad. These types of nifty advanced tweaks available to the user (and programmer) can really make programs more usefull. Though, even with Java programs that have a Java VM embedded in the exe, many times you can still configure the "embedded" VM that the exe runs via these parameters. |
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I don't think you're understanding what I mean: mono isn't accessible by any means here, it's compiled into a different wrapper dll that is a very core part of unity. Even if we could alter that sort of thing, it's a good chance we might cause unintentional crashes. But the only way to alter it would be for us to globally change that in the unity build before we compile AI War itself, and I'm not even sure that would work (and, since that would be global, it's definitely no-go). Keith and I looked at this problem from a variety of angles, and short of making custom builds of mono and unity that we package with every copy of AI War, it's not possible to make any changes here. And that would be a supremely risky thing to do, to the point we have no inclination of doing so. |
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Unity uses the mono runtime to run our c# scripts, but Unity itself does not run on mono. Also, it is using an embedded version of the runtime that we cannot modify or pass parameters into. |
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oh, that's why resolved wasn't in the list :) |
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Sad that Unity tries to hide Mono so much. At the very least Unity should have some "These parameters are passed to the underlying Mono system. As we may switch run-time environments or Mono versions later, be it on your own head to use them" (Again, that's how the JVM handles it, those advanced parameters are a "be it on your own head" thing) (Yes, my primary programming language is Java, how did you know? :P) |
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I don't know that it's a matter of Unity hiding the runtime as it is that they found it unworkable either due to technical glitches in passing in parameters at all or did not believe (understandably) that they could provide support to customers using custom parameters. |
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Additionally, being that it's supposed to be platform-agnostic, that would raise a whole new set of challenges, etc. On some platforms it actually precompiles all the stuff into native code, so mono might not even be there at runtime, etc (mainly iPhone and similar). |
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Understood. I just thought it would be a nice feature for AI war to expose if Unity or Mono exposed it. Because it doesn't, oh well. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| Dec 23, 2010 5:18 pm | TechSY730 | New Issue | |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:22 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Note Added: 0006930 | |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:22 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Status | new => resolved |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:22 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Resolution | open => not fixable |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:22 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Assigned To | => Chris_McElligottPark |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:24 pm | TechSY730 | Note Added: 0006932 | |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:29 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Note Added: 0006941 | |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:30 pm | keith.lamothe | Note Added: 0006942 | |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:30 pm | keith.lamothe | Status | resolved => closed |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:30 pm | keith.lamothe | Assigned To | Chris_McElligottPark => keith.lamothe |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:30 pm | keith.lamothe | Note Added: 0006944 | |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:30 pm | keith.lamothe | Status | closed => resolved |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:32 pm | TechSY730 | Note Added: 0006945 | |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:34 pm | keith.lamothe | Note Added: 0006946 | |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:40 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Note Added: 0006948 | |
| Dec 23, 2010 5:41 pm | TechSY730 | Note Added: 0006949 | |
| Jan 3, 2011 11:44 am | Chris_McElligottPark | Status | resolved => closed |
| Apr 14, 2014 9:28 am | Chris_McElligottPark | Category | Suggestion - General Idea => Suggestion - General |
| Apr 14, 2014 9:30 am | Chris_McElligottPark | Category | Suggestion - General => Suggestion |
