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IDProjectCategoryLast Update
0023825AI War 2Bug - GameplayDec 14, 2020 12:40 pm
ReporterMiikka Ryökäs Assigned ToChris_McElligottPark  
Status resolvedResolutionfixed 
Product Version2.601 Savegame Hotfix 
Fixed in Version2.704 MP Notifications And Mapgen 
Summary0023825: Player gains guardians & dire guardian
DescriptionDETAILS

An AI reconquest wave triggered against a planet where I had a military command station under construction, but which was otherwise foolishly defenseless. The AI built a reconquest command station and started warping in guard posts, but guardians & dire guardian spawned on my side.

It's worth noting I was using custom planet names at the time. I'm building a collection that I hope to publish as a mod. I had inserted them into the game by replacing the contents of Viss Valdyr German 10 letter.txt with my own, shorter planet name list and picking them during custom start. The list is not limited to 10 letters and contains some special characters. Still, I hope this report is worthwhile.

STEPS TO REPRODUCE

Unsuccessful.

VERSION DETAILS

Version is Steam's beta option most_recent_stable, as of Tuesday Sep 29th GMT; listed as 2.601 on the main menu.

ATTACHED FILES

A save file from after it happened and the most recent autosave before it, as well as related-looking files. Screenshot.
TagsNo tags attached.

Activities

Miikka Ryökäs

Sep 28, 2020 9:55 pm

reporter  

Wat.save (638,809 bytes)
Wat.savemet (78 bytes)
Autosave.14400.save (677,166 bytes)
Autosave.14400.bak (663,143 bytes)
20200929030213_1.jpg (337,775 bytes)

Chris_McElligottPark

Sep 29, 2020 4:21 pm

administrator   ~0058758

This is very helpful, thank you! And the custom planet names won't hurt anything.

If you'd like for us to distribute your planet name list at some point directly through the game (just as a lobby option, not a mod people have to install separately), then we'd be happy to do that so long as it doesn't have anything copyrighted (homages are fine, as you can see that I've done that myself in the main one) or profane. You can see how we've handled other folks' lists, where they are credited in the tooltip.

Isiel

Sep 29, 2020 9:19 pm

reporter   ~0058801

It'd be kinda neat to gain guardians somehow, tbh. Perhaps a rare citadel spawn or something?

Miikka Ryökäs

Oct 2, 2020 7:20 pm

reporter   ~0058930

I'd like that. I'll give the list some polish and get back to you in the near future.

Miikka Ryökäs

Nov 1, 2020 3:38 pm

reporter   ~0059444

The list is ready to roll. Regretfully removed Super Mario World and Moraff's World. How do you feel about Hyundai Prime and PepsiCo IV, which are still in the list?

I'm calling the list Oddball. Hey, do you mind if I write the description for mousing over it in the lobby? "Aims to give a sense of history. One with many battles and bored scout captains. Created by Kizor. Thanks to Loweko, Roscoe, Vornicus, McMartin, Reiver, Quasispace, Derakon, Tora-Chan & the anonymous."


Lived-in.

Miikka Ryökäs

Nov 1, 2020 4:27 pm

reporter   ~0059445

Sorry about that. AI took out one of my military command stations and I got distracted. Here's what I was going to write before I hit the wrong button:

The list is ready to roll. Per your instructions I've removed Super Mario World and Moraff's World. How do you feel about Hyundai Prime and PepsiCo IV, which are still in the list? The closest thing to profanity in it is "Fugazi", which is a Vietnam-era term for something broken beyond repair and does resembles a certain profanity, but isn't actually one. The list also features Naughty Bit, BUTTS., C2H5OH, and Last Call, the closest things on it to obscenity and alcohol use, but those aren't very close at all, are they?

I'm calling the list Oddball. Hey, do you mind if I write the description for mousing over it in the lobby? "Aims to give a sense of history. One with many battles and bored scout captains. Created by Kizor. Thanks to Loweko, Roscoe, Vornicus, McMartin, Reiver, Quasispace, Derakon, Tora-Chan & the anonymous."

The list is mainly comedy, but I've also sought the impression that mankind has been around for a while, gone through a lot of things, several of them not good. I've aimed for the sort of silliness that could conceivably be found in the more whimsical sort of scifi story, so I've eschewed memes. There's a number of weary, pessimistic references to the evils of wars like the one in the game's backstory. The tonal clash is entirely on purpose: I think one is essential for that lived-in feel. The list is also very heavy on the homages, following the principle that to borrow from one is plagiarism, to borrow from twenty is referencing and playing homage. (I got that from Pratchett.) You've got Helen Keller, a 20-year-old Flash animations, 1910s scifi, bash.org, Hunter S. Thompson, what have you. I haven't kept track of the number of sources beyond making sure I don't use any one of them more than two or three times.

But enough advertising. Here's the list.
Oddball.txt (3,370 bytes)   
(Seal noises)
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”Caritas”
2e24 Cats In Trenchcoat
Ablative
Acrimony
Actus Reus
Annoying Expanse
Anvil
Another Man's Treasure
Ardent
Backstop
Bat Country
Beleagure
Beloved By All
Best Laid Plans
Better Than Having
Booby Prize
Bountiful Empire
Bummer
BUTTS.
Buyer's Remorse
C2H5OH
Cadet Dispenser
Call Your Mom
Cape Nocapesinspace
Captain
Casa Belli
Cataclysm Engine
Chapter Eleven
Chicanery
ChillWorld
Civil Forfeiture
Collateral
Contra Bonos Mores, Ltd.
Compos Mentis
Cost Overrun
Creeping Disquiet
Cripes
Crumple Zone
Danger Close
Dave's Pet Rock
Decoy
Desperate Glory
Dibs
Dinosaur Planet
Disco Preserve
Do Not Attempt
Don't Know But It Talks
Dreams of Avarice
East Fracas
Edgewise
Egg
Eldest's End
Eminent Domain
Eternal Bastion
Exfilade
Exile's Rose
Failure Cascade
Far Out
Fiasco
Flesh
Fooby's Rest
Fort Akrasia
Fort Pregnable
Frankly Unsavory
Friendly Reminder
Frogspace
Fugazi
Funky Horror
Gambol Gate
Golden Goose
Goofball
Great Redoubt
Greater Kerfluffle
Guitar Reef
Hardwon
He Blows Up
Here Is Joy
Hey Bob, Watch This
High Garden
Home Plate
Home We Once Knew
Horrible Mistake
House Of Silence
Humanextinctionsayswhat
Hyperplanet
Hyundai Prime
Iceberg
Igno Mines
Inadvisable
Ivory Tower
I Won What?
Japery Central
Jive Town
Keeplooking
Kessler Pit
Kingdom Of Exile
La-dee-dah
Languid Luxuriance
Last Call
LD50
Lesser Kerfluffle
Let's Say We Tried
Limited Exchange
Low Road
Maasamo
Making Music Of Decline
Mantower
Maybe This Time
Midnight Sun
Mine
Mining Made Costly
Misrule
Mistakes Were Made
More Explosions
Most Kinds Of Disturbing
Naptime Zone
Naughty Bit
Neet
New New
New New New Verdun
New Mametz
New weN
Ninth Extinction
Noble Affront
Nolo Contendre
No-Man-Fathomed
Northwest Fracas
Not A Place Of Honor
Not Even Sorry
Not That Planet
Object Lesson
Oddball
Oh My Goodness.
Old Habits
Oops
Opfor
Opportunity Cost
Palace Of Love
Peevish Delight
PepsiCo IV
Place Of The Ab-Humans
Plaent
Planet Of The Japes
Port Impertinence
Preposterity
Procras
Pluto-In-Disguise
Purple Monkey Dishwasher
Pyrrhus' Glory
Qrrbrbirlbel
Raising Concerns
Ratiregum
Really Big Jawbreaker
Red Queen's Race
Respawn Yards
Revanche
Round Space Orb Thing
Royal Aviary
Rumpus Room
Salutant
Sanguinery
Secret Denmark
Shame Orb
Shenanigans
Ship Of Stone
Sinecure
Single Point of Failure
Slightly Foxed
Small Consolation
stabyouintheface planet
Still Not Earth
STOP VOTING ON THE NAME
Soft Rains
Strange Silent Wrongs
Talent Pool
Temerarious Reach
Terms & Conditions Apply
Texarkana
Terrible Secret Of Space
The Balk
The Clemencies
The Data Mines
The Hijink Planet
The Inconvenience
The Kickflip Planet
The Other Planet
The Red Grail
The Screaming Planet
The Sunk Cost Colonies
They Call It Peace
Third Base
This Too Shall Pass
ThrillWorld
Treacheries Base
Troublemaker
Tumultuous Bacchanal
Twice-Traitor
Twotimes
Ubi Sunt
Ultra Vires
Under New Ownership
Unruly Felicities
Untransferable Asset
Us Fools
Vestiges
Vici
Villainy!
Wanhope
We All Scream
West Fracas
What Larks
Whatuvydun
Wheeeeeeeee
Where Jupiter Ended Up
Windstriver
Wonderment
Yonder
Your Ad Here
Your FACE
You Fools
Yourown
Yup, Still On Fire
Woe And Spiders
Zest
Oddball.txt (3,370 bytes)   

Miikka Ryökäs

Nov 2, 2020 2:29 pm

reporter   ~0059451

Here are a few shots of the list (beta version) in action. No technical issues with special characters. Fully zoomed out, the galaxy map gets crowded in places; I haven't found this to impair its legibility. But note the notifications in the upper left. I have a thing for longer names and several of them are clipped in notifications. I've had no problems identifying them (though I'm ofc fairly familiar with them). What's more serious is that, though rare, a long name can obscure a number in an adjacent notification. This was a problem for me until I noticed I could mouse over the adjacent one to get the information, and a niggle thereafter. Nonetheless, I've found using the list to be good fun. (I would, wouldn't I?)

The people being thanked are my friends or compatriots, who did sanity checks and/or made suggestions that made it into the list. (Unsolicited - I just have to mention what I'm considering as a name to have this crowd pipe up with their own ideas. I'm lucky to know them.) Each of them has agreed to let me use their suggestions, each of them deserves thanks, and each of them has given me the express go-ahead for being mentioned in this manner.

That said, two of them would prefer to be addressed differently, so my suggestion for the mouseover text has to change to:

"Aims to give a sense of history. One with many battles and bored scout captains. Created by Kizor. Thanks to Loweko, R. Jean Mathieu, Vornicus, McMartin, Reiver, Quasispace, Derakon, Kyoshyu & the anonymous."

(Urgh. I've made a bit of a mess of the list's roll-out, haven't I? Everything should be ready for prime time, but if this affects your decision on whether or not to feature the list as a lobby option, I've got no grounds to complain.)
planet view.jpg (337,775 bytes)
close zoom.jpg (334,240 bytes)
far zoom.jpg (467,875 bytes)

Isiel

Nov 2, 2020 5:42 pm

reporter   ~0059453

I feel like that should be on its own ticket.

Miikka Ryökäs

Nov 14, 2020 4:53 pm

reporter   ~0059604

Yes, you're right. I figured that since x4000 made the offer in the replies to this ticket, they were an established communication channel, and suitable for this as long as I kept things compact and straightforward.

My first mistake on that front was being me. I'll open a ticket for the list.

Metrekec

Dec 13, 2020 4:49 am

reporter   ~0059932

This happened again to me on the latest current build (2.702) with seemingly the same circumstance (Usurper spawning in a reconquest while a military command station was being repaired resulting in Friendly dire guardians spawning along with the guardposts), adding a save of when it already happened again as the previous autosave was a long time ago.
FriendlyDires.png (2,024,347 bytes)
FriendlyDires.save (388,219 bytes)

Metrekec

Dec 13, 2020 4:50 am

reporter   ~0059933

Also adding the autosave 10 minutes prior to this happening. AI type was Adaptive Any so no idea what it was simulating at the time.
Autosave at 1h 0m 0s.save (401,144 bytes)

Crabby

Dec 13, 2020 1:12 pm

reporter   ~0059944

The only faction without DLCs that should gain... I mean steal Dire Guardians is the Nanocaust. The player can technically gain "Guardians" legitimately by hacking the Human Resistance Fighter's Research Center.

This is definitely a bug. I can imagine a player legitimately gaining a dire guardian in a DLC in the future... with a small AIP increase.

Chris_McElligottPark

Dec 14, 2020 12:40 pm

administrator   ~0059960

Thanks!

* Fixed a bug where guardians could be confused about whose side they were supposed to reinforce, and thus be added to the player faction if the player partly owned a planet that was being reclaimed by the AI at the same time.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
Sep 28, 2020 9:55 pm Miikka Ryökäs New Issue
Sep 28, 2020 9:55 pm Miikka Ryökäs File Added: Wat.save
Sep 28, 2020 9:55 pm Miikka Ryökäs File Added: Wat.savemet
Sep 28, 2020 9:55 pm Miikka Ryökäs File Added: Autosave.14400.save
Sep 28, 2020 9:55 pm Miikka Ryökäs File Added: Autosave.14400.bak
Sep 28, 2020 9:55 pm Miikka Ryökäs File Added: 20200929030213_1.jpg
Sep 29, 2020 4:21 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0058758
Sep 29, 2020 9:19 pm Isiel Note Added: 0058801
Oct 2, 2020 7:20 pm Miikka Ryökäs Note Added: 0058930
Nov 1, 2020 3:38 pm Miikka Ryökäs Note Added: 0059444
Nov 1, 2020 4:27 pm Miikka Ryökäs File Added: Oddball.txt
Nov 1, 2020 4:27 pm Miikka Ryökäs Note Added: 0059445
Nov 2, 2020 2:29 pm Miikka Ryökäs File Added: planet view.jpg
Nov 2, 2020 2:29 pm Miikka Ryökäs File Added: close zoom.jpg
Nov 2, 2020 2:29 pm Miikka Ryökäs File Added: far zoom.jpg
Nov 2, 2020 2:29 pm Miikka Ryökäs Note Added: 0059451
Nov 2, 2020 5:42 pm Isiel Note Added: 0059453
Nov 14, 2020 4:53 pm Miikka Ryökäs Note Added: 0059604
Dec 13, 2020 4:49 am Metrekec File Added: FriendlyDires.png
Dec 13, 2020 4:49 am Metrekec File Added: FriendlyDires.save
Dec 13, 2020 4:49 am Metrekec Note Added: 0059932
Dec 13, 2020 4:50 am Metrekec File Added: Autosave at 1h 0m 0s.save
Dec 13, 2020 4:50 am Metrekec Note Added: 0059933
Dec 13, 2020 1:12 pm Crabby Note Added: 0059944
Dec 14, 2020 12:40 pm Chris_McElligottPark Assigned To => Chris_McElligottPark
Dec 14, 2020 12:40 pm Chris_McElligottPark Status new => resolved
Dec 14, 2020 12:40 pm Chris_McElligottPark Resolution open => fixed
Dec 14, 2020 12:40 pm Chris_McElligottPark Fixed in Version => 2.704 MP Notifications And Mapgen
Dec 14, 2020 12:40 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0059960