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| ID | Project | Category | Date Submitted | Last Update | |
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| 0009074 | AI War 1 / Classic | Suggestion - Game Mechanics - Endgame Mechanics | Jul 31, 2012 3:53 am | Aug 1, 2012 4:44 pm | |
| Reporter | Kahuna | Assigned To | |||
| Status | considering | Resolution | open | ||
| Summary | 0009074: Destroy the Avengers to win the game | ||||
| Description | At the moment all the player needs to do is to destroy the AI Home Command Stations to win the game even if the Avengers are enabled. Avenger is supposed to be "A massive, moon-sized space station created by the AI as the final defense against the human onslaught." If the players can't destroy it it means the human race will face extinction. It would destroy the players's Home Command Station, Settlements and Cryogenic Pods. That's why it doesn't make any sense that the player doesn't need to destroy the Avenger to win the game. If the Avengers are disabled for both AIs the player could just win the game as soon as the game starts. That would make as much sense as not having to destroy the Avengers to win the game. | ||||
| Tags | No tags attached. | ||||
| Internal Weight | Feature Suggestion | ||||
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I like the idea except for: "If the Avengers are disabled for both AIs the player could just win the game as soon as the game starts. That would make as much sense as not having to destroy the Avengers to win the game." I don't exactly understand what you mean by this. |
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Not to stuff words in Kahuna's mouth, but I read that to mean a player who is quick could basically ignore the avengers (aside from how strong they are as homeworld defenses) and just take out both homeworlds in quick succession, thus bypassing the need to survive the avengers, thus basically bypassing 3/4 of the whole point of the avengers plot. |
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Exactly^^ Often the first Avenger must be destroyed or at least is good to destroy but the second one.. no need to care about that one since you will "win" the game without destroying it. And LOL I can't believe someone actually opposes this.. If you don't want to fight against the Avenger.. then don't enable it. If you win the game without fighting against it.. it's the same as if it wasn't enabled in the first place and if you "can't" destroy the Avengers then lower the difficulty. Oh no lmao... I hope everyone understood the "If the Avengers are disabled for both AIs the player could just win the game as soon as the game starts. That would make as much sense as not having to destroy the Avengers to win the game." was NOT part of the suggestion. I don't actually want the game to end as soon as it starts if the Avengers are disabled. It was a comparison. I didn't think I would have to explain that. |
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Previous mention of this issue with Keith's reply: http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,9733.msg90534.html#msg90534 |
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"If the presence of the plot forced you to double-kill, it served its purpose of making the game harder" Atm it doesn't sever it's purpose because it doesn't make the game harder because it's possible to "cheese" them. |
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His point is, forcing the player to double-kill the homeworlds is harder than killing them one at a time. That's the reasoning at least. I'm not entirely convinced this is true because double-killing isn't really that hard. In fact, it is a bit too easy in my opinion. If double-killing got made harder (say if AI home worlds super-reinforced based on the number of lost Core Guard Posts) then I think Avengers would be fine. |
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@Hearteater Have you tried double killing recently? The AI will now occasionally reinforce their homeworlds even if they never go on alert. It's a buff Kieth recently put in. It could make a real difference. |
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Ok I guess I didn't understand what he meant by "double killing".. Anyway.. why having to destroy the Avengers to win the game would be a problem? u go to AI1 home planet.. destroy the CS and the avenger.. u go to AI2 home planet.. destroy the CS and the avenger and win the game. too hard? don't enable avengers or enable just 1. enabling them and not killing them is stupid. |
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It's like enabling hybrids but there actually wouldn't be hybrids in the game. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| Jul 31, 2012 3:53 am | Kahuna | New Issue | |
| Jul 31, 2012 8:08 am | tigersfan | Internal Weight | => Feature Suggestion |
| Jul 31, 2012 8:08 am | tigersfan | Status | new => considering |
| Jul 31, 2012 8:49 pm | Coppermantis | Note Added: 0027240 | |
| Jul 31, 2012 9:15 pm | TechSY730 | Note Added: 0027241 | |
| Jul 31, 2012 9:16 pm | TechSY730 | Note Edited: 0027241 | |
| Aug 1, 2012 10:52 am | Kahuna | Note Added: 0027258 | |
| Aug 1, 2012 11:00 am | Kahuna | Note Edited: 0027258 | |
| Aug 1, 2012 11:02 am | Kahuna | Note Edited: 0027258 | |
| Aug 1, 2012 11:07 am | Kahuna | Note Edited: 0027258 | |
| Aug 1, 2012 11:08 am | Kahuna | Note Edited: 0027258 | |
| Aug 1, 2012 2:25 pm | Hearteater | Note Added: 0027263 | |
| Aug 1, 2012 4:18 pm | Kahuna | Note Added: 0027265 | |
| Aug 1, 2012 4:31 pm | Hearteater | Note Added: 0027266 | |
| Aug 1, 2012 4:40 pm | TechSY730 | Note Added: 0027267 | |
| Aug 1, 2012 4:41 pm | Kahuna | Note Added: 0027268 | |
| Aug 1, 2012 4:44 pm | Kahuna | Note Added: 0027269 |
