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IDProjectCategoryLast Update
0014534The Last FederationBug - GameplayApr 25, 2014 5:33 pm
Reporterwyvern83 Assigned Tokeith.lamothe  
Status resolvedResolutionfixed 
Product Version1.004 (x64 Linux Build) 
Fixed in Version1.005 Beta (Holy Smokes It's Big) 
Summary0014534: Lost ability to gain influence with sole non-fear empire race
DescriptionIn my game I lost the ability to gain influence with the Evucks for reasons that are unclear to me. My influence was at 44 and no mission or action would give me any additional influence so even though I almost single-handily saved them from annihilation by the Acutian Fear Empire with armada construction for years and joined the defense of their homeworld many times when they finally wiped out the Acutians they hunted me down and I lost the game.

In save 005 b I can still gain influence but by 005 c something has already gone wrong. 005 d is after years of work on the behalf of the Evucks but to no avail for me personally in the end.
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parent of 0014630 new Two races plus Fear Empire and no Federation is an effective loss but you can keep playing til there is only one race left. 
related to 0014327 resolvedkeith.lamothe Influence wont add, only subtract for certain races 
related to 0014401 resolvedkeith.lamothe influence problem 
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wyvern83

Apr 23, 2014 9:14 pm

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005 b.save (310,425 bytes)

wyvern83

Apr 23, 2014 9:14 pm

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005 c.save (376,657 bytes)

wyvern83

Apr 23, 2014 9:15 pm

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005 d.save (503,393 bytes)

Chris_McElligottPark

Apr 24, 2014 12:20 pm

administrator   ~0036665

Thanks!

* Fixed a couple of confusing things with hostile alliances:
** On "The Betrayed," added a clarifying note to its tooltip stating that no further influence can be gained with that race.
** On Fear Empires, there was previously a rule saying that while it existed, you could not gain any influence with ANY other races. That has been changed so that you just can't gain influence with the Fear Empire race, and the tooltip now reflects that.
** Previously, you could not gain influence with Smuggler Empires, but now you can.

wyvern83

Apr 24, 2014 7:27 pm

reporter   ~0036741

Last edited: Apr 24, 2014 7:38 pm

Thanks for fixing this!

Will this fix retroactively apply influence I would have gained? And if it does/or I can earn enough in time will the last survivor spare me if they like me enough?

If not that's ok as I think I made some poor choices in that game anyway. I spent the lion's share of my time supporting the Burlusts and researching technology with them, that 005 b opens with their annilation all but guaranteed shows how well the ignore-the-other-largely strategy worked out. As it should I may add. :)

Also did the Fear Empire prevent improving relations between other races outside of the Empire? It seemed like it was. I've been having trouble improving relations in that game but it may be that I didn't have enough time. (I'd check but my only pre-only-two-left save, 005b, results in a SAP fairly easily.)

Chris_McElligottPark

Apr 24, 2014 7:34 pm

administrator   ~0036742

No problem! And yep, that's what the fear empire was doing.

wyvern83

Apr 24, 2014 7:46 pm

reporter   ~0036743

oops, looks like you responded while I was editing my post. This is what I think I added more or less:

Can you survive without creating a Federation if you get on the good side of the surviving race before they wipe out the other(s) if the survivor isn't in a non-federation alliance?

Will the fix give me the influence I should have gotten or is it lost?

Chris_McElligottPark

Apr 24, 2014 8:09 pm

administrator   ~0036746

The influence you would have gotten is lost. If all the current races are in non-federation alliances, I believe that already triggers a loss condition immediately.

wyvern83

Apr 24, 2014 9:29 pm

reporter   ~0036748

Last edited: Apr 25, 2014 5:06 pm

It should but what if the sole survivor isn't in any alliances at all? Or does not in the Federation/no Federation amount to the same thing as being in a non-federation alliance if there is only one race left?

Also, if you only have two races left, and one is a Fear Empire, and haven't formed a Federation yet, isn't that a loss condition as you need two available races to form a Federation? If it is then my game should have ended when the third to last race died as that would have been the last chance to form a Federation.

I can make a bug report for either of these if it is warranted.

Edit: I'll go ahead and make a report for it.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
Apr 23, 2014 9:14 pm wyvern83 New Issue
Apr 23, 2014 9:14 pm wyvern83 File Added: 005 b.save
Apr 23, 2014 9:14 pm wyvern83 File Added: 005 c.save
Apr 23, 2014 9:15 pm wyvern83 File Added: 005 d.save
Apr 23, 2014 9:17 pm wyvern83 Relationship added related to 0014327
Apr 23, 2014 9:18 pm wyvern83 Relationship added related to 0014401
Apr 23, 2014 9:47 pm Chris_McElligottPark Assigned To => keith.lamothe
Apr 23, 2014 9:47 pm Chris_McElligottPark Status new => assigned
Apr 23, 2014 9:58 pm wyvern83 Description Updated
Apr 24, 2014 12:20 pm Chris_McElligottPark Internal Weight => New
Apr 24, 2014 12:20 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0036665
Apr 24, 2014 12:20 pm Chris_McElligottPark Status assigned => resolved
Apr 24, 2014 12:20 pm Chris_McElligottPark Fixed in Version => 1.005 Beta (Holy Smokes It's Big)
Apr 24, 2014 12:20 pm Chris_McElligottPark Resolution open => fixed
Apr 24, 2014 7:27 pm wyvern83 Note Added: 0036741
Apr 24, 2014 7:34 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0036742
Apr 24, 2014 7:38 pm wyvern83 Note Edited: 0036741
Apr 24, 2014 7:46 pm wyvern83 Note Added: 0036743
Apr 24, 2014 8:09 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0036746
Apr 24, 2014 9:29 pm wyvern83 Note Added: 0036748
Apr 24, 2014 9:30 pm wyvern83 Note Edited: 0036748
Apr 25, 2014 5:06 pm wyvern83 Note Edited: 0036748
Apr 25, 2014 5:33 pm wyvern83 Relationship added parent of 0014630